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27-06 Liberta+ ↔ DIG
Author: MrWhite
Last updated: 4708d 6h 59m 38s ago by sbanks
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Version: 3.2
Involved families: Akincilar, Andalusia, Belleville, Bruinsma, Camorra, Carnage, Carneglia, Catacomb, Constantinep, Destination, Diesirae, Feldelta, Firenze, Guardians, Ilimitada, Indelicato, Jitem, Lannister, Liberta, Loyalty, Presidential, Prosec, Rochester, Salvazione, Senatus, Shadows, Sibl, Sibl, Trafficante, Ultimate, Venture
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Liberta is firing on DIG alliance.
Diesirae and Carneglia/Carnage are helping Liberta

Liberta shows Destination and Guardians on their profile as bloods and likewise.

Rumours go DIG was already planning on Liberta.

- Bruinsma & Venture are helping DIG
- Andalusia also shooting Liberta
- Senatus helping Liberta
- Salvazione & Camorra joined and are shooting at Diesirae
- Feldelta joined and shooting at Senatus
- Ilimitada shooting at Diesirae
- Trafficante shooting at Senatus
- Firenze shooting at Diesirae
- Catacomb shooting at Liberta
- The Fort alliance shooting at Liberta
- Presidential shooting at Liberta



Update(s) 28-06:

Liberta got hijacked.

Family page got changed into:



translation: Well done "Furkhanen", that is what they deserve. Also he points out that "asli" made it possible that Liberta invited him into their family

Google translation English: I say it just will Furkhanen
Google translation Dutch: Ik zeg het gewoon Furkhanen




Bruinsma took over Senatus and renamed it to Loyalty
Catacomb took over Diesirae

Only Carneglia/Carnage aren't being shot for helping Liberta, the reason for this is: first of all, they only shot like 5 targets, and second, their bloodlist is kinda long, the defenders couldn't find people who weren't blooded with them



Update(s) 29-06:

Bruinsma lost its sisterfamily! "Grand" the last one standing from Senatus, who renamed the family to Loyalty got akilled and with him the family died.

With Ultimate down, Belleville is the only family left from the "Liberta Alliance" Though it seems Belleville is safe (for now) as according to the DIG Alliance they begged them not to shoot them.
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pikachuuu (Top Liberta): WE heard dig make plan us. And we fuck it

Pupale (Top Guardians):
Herkes bilir ki bir turk soz verdigi zaman o sozu tutar. Fakat bu kanka phenky icin gecerli degil.
Cingene gibi yalan soylemekten baska bir sey yaptigi yok.

Translation:

There is a saying that Turkish word cannot be broken...
but thats not the case with our kanka Phenky ...
he lies like a fucking gypsy \o/

[22:21:54] [Pupale] that im sorry for saying that about the gypsys
[22:22:03] [Pupale] and that he lies like a slamdog
[22:22:03] [Pupale] :D

Lucius (Top Senatus): when we establish that fam we had one rule . we ll live for strength and honour. we had strength and honour was coming with bloods. we helped them.

ElIndio (Top Venture): When a Top swears at another fam's Crew Member he insults the whole fam. So dont threat dont swear. In particular you pickachuuu and phenky, learn some manners sonnies.

This sharp rebuke on one side, revenge on the other. Thanks to all Venturians and those who participated alongside us.

Nakamura (Top Camorra): It was a "bloody" fight i must admit. We stand next to DIG since they are the ones getting shot. Liberta tops should know how to treat their bloods better. You cant go any further with threats and swears. (even to their bloods)
Diesirae was my target since they were acting against my bloods twice already. (Leviticus war)

phenkyhenky's story (Top Liberta):

[00:32] [phenkyhenky]: I dont need to describe who im in this game and all oldschool players knows me first of all i wanna talk about this pupale cuz i show every1 how he is dirty player in this game
[00:33] [phenkyhenky]: first of all this pupale want me to not shoot on levicutus and i said ok i wont
[00:33] [phenkyhenky]: and than after that levicutus shoot to marazzino and kuruosowa also jump in war and kurosowa is blood with both of us
[00:34] [phenkyhenky]: but pupale wanna sellect levi side cuz he is levi dog like trza called
[00:34] [phenkyhenky]: and after i killed levi gambino
[00:34] [phenkyhenky]: he start to show his real face how dirty not honoruble player he is
[00:35] [phenkyhenky]: and he start to make rumours about dig and firenze making plan on liberta
[00:35] [phenkyhenky]: and i found out
[00:35] [phenkyhenky]: after that he go righelli and told them liberta ll kill u
[00:35] [phenkyhenky]: its also lie cuz evil know me
[00:36] [phenkyhenky]: after that i go krays they told me
[00:36] [phenkyhenky]: we asked dig to shoot on krays we never did
[00:36] [phenkyhenky]: he go all other fams
[00:36] [phenkyhenky]: and make rumours cuz he can just do and always doing this he even wont rank
[00:37] [phenkyhenky]: always weak accounts just on irc and fucking around
[00:37] [phenkyhenky]: and i showed this to all my friends
[00:37] [phenkyhenky]: after that he got new puppet that was noob jans
[00:38] [phenkyhenky]: she is also backstabber cuz when she has carneglia caliente kuro blood with them she still go and sellect other way like a blind against their 3 blood
[00:39] [phenkyhenky]: and i m always so open so honest and have a heart to say all face to face
[00:39] [phenkyhenky]: and all omerta can ask
[00:39] [phenkyhenky]: all tops
[00:39] [phenkyhenky]: i even leak my own war
[00:40] [phenkyhenky]: to every crews that i lll kill that pupale cuz he is so dirty player and omerta need be clean
[00:40] [phenkyhenky]: and i ll do that
[00:40] [phenkyhenky]: and i said all omerta this
[00:40] [phenkyhenky]: and also i said this the last version of pupale cuz i never let him alive from now on
[00:41] [phenkyhenky]: and he answer trza like a dog phenky cant find me cuz i can hide from him .. like a boonn
[00:41] [phenkyhenky]: and we ll see
[00:42] [phenkyhenky]: lets come to cammora they always come and cry when they are weak
[00:42] [phenkyhenky]: and always afraid even their bloods
[00:42] [phenkyhenky]: pls not kill us etc
[00:42] [phenkyhenky]: and also they made the plan against gambino
[00:42] [phenkyhenky]: u can ask all gambino killers
[00:42] [phenkyhenky]: and they backed up
[00:42] [phenkyhenky]: that nakamura did it
[00:43] [phenkyhenky]: made plan call all of us and as a blood we accept than they run away
[00:43] [phenkyhenky]: but we finish
[00:43] [phenkyhenky]: and after that what a shame they go in war
[00:43] [phenkyhenky]: with levi gambino
[00:43] [phenkyhenky]: help them
[00:44] [phenkyhenky]: and at last they are blood with both side they again sellect dirty side and shoot against us
[00:44] [phenkyhenky]: and they all still talkingg here
[00:45] [phenkyhenky]: cuz they want to make themself clean
[00:45] [phenkyhenky]: with all this bullshits
[00:45] [phenkyhenky]: but lots of ppl know me im honest like that and i always can say my words face to face
[00:46] [phenkyhenky]: and we ll see from now on how they play omerta from now on???

/q sbanks
statistics
War started on: 18:29:02 27-06-2011 War ended on: 14:46:02 29-06-2011
Bullet difference: -23,554,720 War duration: 1d 20h 17m
Money difference: -$1,606,299,117 Players died: 368




deaths
Dead Families:
[Ultimate] Family down on 14:39 29-06
[Loyalty] Family down on 08:27 29-06
[Jitem] Family down on 16:19 28-06
[Akincilar] Family down on 15:51 28-06
[Liberta] Family down on 12:39 28-06
[Prosec] Family down on 21:57 27-06
[Constantinep] Family down on 21:51 27-06
[Sibl] Family down on 20:43 27-06
Deaths per family:
Sw As LC Ch Br CD GF Points
Akincilar | swin: 0 | assa: 0 | lc: 0 | chief: 0 | brug: 4 | cd: 2 | gf: 0 | points: 94
Andalusia | swin: 0 | assa: 0 | lc: 2 | chief: 1 | brug: 3 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 58
Belleville | swin: 0 | assa: 0 | lc: 0 | chief: 0 | brug: 0 | cd: 1 | gf: 0 | points: 21
Bruinsma | swin: 0 | assa: 0 | lc: 0 | chief: 0 | brug: 1 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 13
Camorra | swin: 1 | assa: 0 | lc: 0 | chief: 0 | brug: 2 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 28
Carnage | swin: 0 | assa: 0 | lc: 0 | chief: 0 | brug: 1 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 13
Carneglia | swin: 0 | assa: 0 | lc: 0 | chief: 0 | brug: 1 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 13
Catacomb | swin: 0 | assa: 1 | lc: 0 | chief: 0 | brug: 2 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 29
Constantinep | swin: 0 | assa: 0 | lc: 0 | chief: 0 | brug: 5 | cd: 1 | gf: 0 | points: 86
Destination | swin: 1 | assa: 0 | lc: 1 | chief: 0 | brug: 13 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 178
Diesirae | swin: 0 | assa: 0 | lc: 0 | chief: 0 | brug: 20 | cd: 1 | gf: 1 | points: 317
Feldelta | swin: 0 | assa: 1 | lc: 1 | chief: 0 | brug: 5 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 73
Guardians | swin: 0 | assa: 1 | lc: 2 | chief: 4 | brug: 19 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 292
Ilimitada | swin: 0 | assa: 0 | lc: 2 | chief: 0 | brug: 0 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 10
Indelicato | swin: 0 | assa: 0 | lc: 0 | chief: 0 | brug: 5 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 65
Jitem | swin: 0 | assa: 0 | lc: 0 | chief: 0 | brug: 4 | cd: 3 | gf: 0 | points: 115
Lannister | swin: 0 | assa: 0 | lc: 0 | chief: 0 | brug: 1 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 13
Liberta | swin: 0 | assa: 1 | lc: 4 | chief: 3 | brug: 55 | cd: 0 | gf: 2 | points: 831
Loyalty | swin: 0 | assa: 1 | lc: 0 | chief: 0 | brug: 0 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 3
Presidential | swin: 0 | assa: 0 | lc: 0 | chief: 1 | brug: 1 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 21
Prosec | swin: 0 | assa: 0 | lc: 0 | chief: 0 | brug: 1 | cd: 1 | gf: 0 | points: 34
Rochester | swin: 0 | assa: 0 | lc: 0 | chief: 0 | brug: 0 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 1
Salvazione | swin: 0 | assa: 0 | lc: 0 | chief: 0 | brug: 0 | cd: 0 | gf: 1 | points: 34
Senatus | swin: 0 | assa: 1 | lc: 2 | chief: 1 | brug: 8 | cd: 3 | gf: 1 | points: 223
Shadows | swin: 0 | assa: 0 | lc: 0 | chief: 0 | brug: 0 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 1
Sibl | swin: 0 | assa: 1 | lc: 0 | chief: 0 | brug: 2 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 29
Trafficante | swin: 0 | assa: 0 | lc: 0 | chief: 0 | brug: 1 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 13
Ultimate | swin: 0 | assa: 0 | lc: 1 | chief: 1 | brug: 7 | cd: 0 | gf: 0 | points: 104
Venture | swin: 0 | assa: 1 | lc: 0 | chief: 0 | brug: 4 | cd: 0 | gf: 1 | points: 89
Total | swin: 2 | assa: 8 | lc: 15 | chief: 11 | brug: 165 | cd: 12 | gf: 6 | points: 2,801
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Anonymous (18:36:20 - 28-06)
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Achille at 18:20:50 on 28/06:
Strange that my hijack is still linked to Vincitori while I am Vaffanculo:') But keep going guys, this is fun!

lol vaffanculoooooooooh
Achille Netherlands (18:20:50 - 28-06)
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Strange that my hijack is still linked to Vincitori while I am Vaffanculo:') But keep going guys, this is fun!
knife Turkey (18:09:37 - 28-06)
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lol thats funny :D i didnt asked to be bloods and it never discussed inside of violenza i dont know who asked that bullshit to you :D and be sure if one crew tells like ' i arranged to be bloods with vincitori ' it would be rejected by crew and again if we interested to be bloods with vincitori simpy i'd ask you when you was telling me ' it would be better killing small families together, i hate when small families come and won version when we killing eachother '

nah you missing point our member had IDEA to build a fam with your member liar, so he wanted to take him safe when he saws shooting and wanted to took him from vincitori so that can not be recruit imo.
Johnny Serbia (17:29:00 - 28-06)
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knife at 17:18:05 on 28/06:
first of all if we shooted liberta's 3 blood, they would know it was coming and it was better they didnt ask us blood, right?

If you planed this and knew it was coming why you asked Vincitori for bloods? It says more about you than Liberta...

knife at 17:18:05 on 28/06:
nothing with confusing, you just wanting to confuse here xD cuz its clear, and let me tell you in easy way again, that liar was a friend of our trustable member he asked if he can took him to violenza to other violenza crews cuz this guy gonna be play with him in his own family bla bla so other violenza crews accepted it and im telling you all happen without my knowledge.

And again you miss my point.
Your member asked Vincitori member while your family was shooting Vincitori to leave Vinci and join your family. Last time I checked it's called recruiting from other family.
And my point was we didn't "infiltrate" our guy in Vio as part of big plan, we just told him to accept your invite.
Anonymous (17:27:35 - 28-06)
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Anonymous at 17:12:00 on 28/06:
Profestum at 17:03:02 on 28/06:
omg fucking faggots its summer get a life!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look who's talking.

+1
knife Turkey (17:18:05 - 28-06)
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pftt Johnny you are the best person i've ever seen in this game you collision subjects very well :D

first of all if we shooted liberta's 3 blood, they would know it was coming and it was better they didnt ask us blood, right?

nothing with confusing, you just wanting to confuse here xD cuz its clear, and let me tell you in easy way again, that liar was a friend of our trustable member he asked if he can took him to violenza to other violenza crews cuz this guy gonna be play with him in his own family bla bla so other violenza crews accepted it and im telling you all happen without my knowledge.

and dont be funny like that redgay :D
Senzafine Congo (17:12:03 - 28-06)
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Profestum at 17:03:02 on 28/06:
omg fucking faggots its summer get a life!!!!!!!!!!!!!

idd :'')
Anonymous (17:12:00 - 28-06)
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Profestum at 17:03:02 on 28/06:
omg fucking faggots its summer get a life!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look who's talking.
Profestum (17:03:02 - 28-06)
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omg fucking faggots its summer get a life!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Johnny Serbia (17:01:16 - 28-06)
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btw knife before you reply to me

(18:58:31) <Johnny> where's ur kanka knife?
(18:58:32) <Johnny> :p
(18:58:59) <Furkhanen> he is not here now and i dont know
(18:59:38) <Johnny> :(
(18:59:45) <Johnny> someone should stop him from posting more
(18:59:50) <Johnny> before i make him look more stupid
(18:59:52) <Johnny> i saw he logged in
(18:59:53) <Johnny> :x

hope you take my advice mate o/
Anonymous (16:50:14 - 28-06)
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Moesasji at 16:32:31 on 28/06:
Anonymous at 16:23:04 on 28/06:
damn those long posts :s

I'm just checking here for some short snaps of what is going on -_-
Well..... The lenght doesnt bother me, the readability of some however.. My god..

agree.... it makes them even look longer ;)
counselor Canada (16:39:52 - 28-06)
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RIP all

It's summer, its boring.

im retired :w
Moesasji Netherlands (16:32:31 - 28-06)
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Anonymous at 16:23:04 on 28/06:
damn those long posts :s

I'm just checking here for some short snaps of what is going on -_-
Well..... The lenght doesnt bother me, the readability of some however.. My god..
klassikl (16:29:42 - 28-06)
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Johnny at 15:25:11 on 28/06:
Anonymous at 14:57:04 on 28/06:
lol yeah being offline and ranking, noone being on irc anymore, wars starting and fams only have lackeys account, wars that dont end... idd very nice version.

Besides that these days leaking war means backing out and pretending it never happened.
Leaving unfinished wars, with half dead families.
Having 120+ families up, from which most didn't even found how it looks to kill someone.
Blooding families who could be your threat to be safe.
Weird KA.
Potential changes of KA during version.
Killing scripters with legal scripts.
Brando changing his mind about game every week.
Even OB news with Anonymous posters, at least on Fingon they had to make up some nick, so after some time even anonymous would get some "name"...

Feel free to add things that come to your mind.

Idd this version doesn't suck so bad

I just wanted to add, that you still posting here is kind of ruining my version!

thats all


Redspeert Syrian Arab Republic (16:25:29 - 28-06)
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Knife writing bullshit again? Nothing new, move on :D
Anonymous (16:23:04 - 28-06)
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damn those long posts :s

I'm just checking here for some short snaps of what is going on -_-
Anonymous (16:19:02 - 28-06)
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Johnny for president! \\o \o/ o//
Johnny Serbia (16:06:18 - 28-06)
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knife at 15:36:05 on 28/06:

long talk about how Liberta screwed Violenza

I just wonder did you think for a second that you are screwing Liberta by shooting 3 bloods of them?
Further whole war vs Violenza, even when Manson attacked you, was same war you started. War you guys wanted, war you made happen and brought on yourself. It's same war in which you tried to kill 3 bloods of Liberta, so why should Liberta help you?
I mean lets talk honest would you help someone who tried to kill 3 of your bloods? :')

knife at
about Liar's hijack thing, we had a member a few crew knows him from real, also i know him from real.he told to other crews Liar is his friend and they gonna come with him when he make up his own family he can recruit them inside of us bla bla. maybe we shouldnt recruited him and all happened without my knowledge if i heard it in begining belive me i wasnt recruited him but when i learnd he was already in our fam. i thought it would be rude if i kick him while our guy gived his word about his trustable

This is confusing but lemme try to understand it.
You were trying to recruit him, without wanting to recruit him. But if you knew he wouldn't be Violenza's loyal soldier you wouldn't try to recruit him. But when you already did recruit him, it would be rude to not let him stay in your family?

That actually makes no sense... You are basicly saying, If I knew he would hijack us we wouldn't recruit him! Ofc you wouldn't if you knew, point is you tried to recruit him. He didn't pm you and said hey knife I wanna sell Vinci pls invite me in your awesome fam. You asked him yourself to join, while you were shooting his family.
Really smart move knife!
knife at
and let me make things clear when it was like chaos if you sended this guy for hijack, probably there should be a plan for HJ after strong accounts died in violenza. but i still remember achille kicked him from fam and after a while he took him back and set him succesor he wasnt hand overed spot to him and to be honest you just figured he was vincitorian and asked him if he wants or not.i asked him also why he did it, he said it was simple cuz my friend died there and i thought there wont be any family bla bla, if it was like you said he can say while all the things done ' we planned it with vincitori when i joined there bla bla' so Johnny Please Talks the facts here
I always talk the facts, you should know that by now.
If you think it was "an accident" come on irc, I'll give you logs from your war channels where you invited our guy. He was literally an insider in Violenza. Why he got kicked by Achille was cuz we thought he'll keep "Violenza" for himself, but later we decided it's best if we try to keep it together with Vaffanculo. That's why Liar returned to be the don.
knife at
and sure you are curious about why your family name mention in liberta fam page its clear the first plan was hijacking you guys if cant it was liberta's turn cuz ' Fassalerrr ' account recruited by Asli into Liberta and she recruited him to vincitori so we just wanted to thank asli cuz she helped us too much.

1st of all asli as Vincitori top can't recruit for Liberta, reason 2 asli for sure didn't send Furkhanen to Liberta it could've been someone else from our top though.
asli sent Furkhanen invite for Vincitori as asso, he was great threat idd, he joined Liberta as swindler, still big threat. Tbh I'm flattered that you considered us such a notorious family that you had need to hijack us, sad part is when you didn't hijack us you thank our tops for inviting them to Vinci who you didn't even hijack.
And point where Furkhanen joined Vinci, we were so deeply in shit shooting every 2 days that our biggest worry was idd some asso wanting to join us.
Anonymous (15:37:18 - 28-06)
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Johnny at 15:25:11 on 28/06:
Anonymous at 14:57:04 on 28/06:
lol yeah being offline and ranking, noone being on irc anymore, wars starting and fams only have lackeys account, wars that dont end... idd very nice version.

Besides that these days leaking war means backing out and pretending it never happened.
Leaving unfinished wars, with half dead families.
Having 120+ families up, from which most didn't even found how it looks to kill someone.
Blooding families who could be your threat to be safe.
Weird KA.
Potential changes of KA during version.
Killing scripters with legal scripts.
Brando changing his mind about game every week.
Even OB news with Anonymous posters, at least on Fingon they had to make up some nick, so after some time even anonymous would get some "name"...

Feel free to add things that come to your mind.

Idd this version doesn't suck so bad

First couple points on that list is what players do themselfs tho. Thats the way you wanna play it yourselfs.
KA is something people have been complaing about for complete 3.x versions already.
knife Turkey (15:36:05 - 28-06)
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Johnny at 14:05:12 on 28/06:
Furkhanen at 13:18:12 on 28/06:
When we make war with affonitas , Liberta attacked our bloods and we lost this version. Violenza got hijack with liar (vincitori member) I want revenge and I told asli ( fake irc nick) than she recruited me \o/ next I waited for hijack for they build vincitori but they didnt do. When i told guardians tops for hijack could you add me on the safelist they said yes sure and hijack :))))

I m happy now gl all

1st of all you never made war with "Affonitas" you attacked Vincitori Gravano and Vaffanculo.
2nd Liberta didn't attack your bloods, Liberta attacked Righelli, who weren't your bloods at that time for sure. Stating that you lost version cuz of Liberta is utterly ridiculous.
3rd Hijack with Liar wasn't anything planned, simply after you attacked us, someone from your top found it smart to try to recruit a turk from a "non turk" family, cuz God forbid turk being in Vincitori is a mortal sin according to some people from your family. So when you spent time and effort trying to recruit someone from us, it would be rude from our side not to let him join you. That's how hijack of Violenza happened, not that we made empty suit account, ranked to brug inside Violenza (or your blood fam) then hijacked. You got hijacked cuz you got greedy on recruiting from Vincitori. Also hijack wasn't directed personally to anyone and we kept your fam page clear, cuz for some weird reason we thought showing you some respect can be a good thing. Seems we were wrong.
Completely different story is that Achille wanted to act on his own and made mockery of your fam page or whatever, but that's your problem with him. To be honest Achille hijacked you, he just handed over to Liar before he died.

And in the end
Hijacking Liberta (or any other family) to talk about any 3rd family is pretty non sense, but never the less gratz on hijack. Next time you can try hijacking Righelli to talk about Conflict or Krays to talk about Marazzino and so on...

Btw gratz Furkhanen your english improved over years.

i was following posts in this topic but i wasnt wanting to post here, but at the end i wanted to past.

the point about liberta is, attack night catacomb were ready for counter and liberta told they wanna counter too i was in a channel with two crew of them i invited catacomb people in this channel also and divided targets i dont remember who was target but it can be ' Manson ' both family putted dedo's over them and when it was time to shoot, Liberta told they cant shoot they dont wanting to involve this war they cant shoot in bloods war and more craps like that after that one of crew that promised me to jump leaved from liberta and other one told me how sad he is, at least we know phenky and mt didnt let them to shoot.
in other hand we have this also,
' - Talamasca and Liberta jumped in and are shooting Righelli '
So that proves they can jump in bloods war.

and yeah righelli was not our blood but when they were shooted with us we come closer with them also you can count here bruinsma,tempes. it doesnt matter they were blooded to us or not in that time cuz they were in plan with us. you can tell in first war also you dont wanna involve in blood war if you involved, you shouldnt back up from war while your dedectives found your target. If your crews make a deal you should stand behind of them.Thats how things goes in my game culture i do not know liberta's.

about Liar's hijack thing, we had a member a few crew knows him from real, also i know him from real.he told to other crews Liar is his friend and they gonna come with him when he make up his own family he can recruit them inside of us bla bla. maybe we shouldnt recruited him and all happened without my knowledge if i heard it in begining belive me i wasnt recruited him but when i learnd he was already in our fam. i thought it would be rude if i kick him while our guy gived his word about his trustable. and let me make things clear when it was like chaos if you sended this guy for hijack, probably there should be a plan for HJ after strong accounts died in violenza. but i still remember achille kicked him from fam and after a while he took him back and set him succesor he wasnt hand overed spot to him and to be honest you just figured he was vincitorian and asked him if he wants or not.i asked him also why he did it, he said it was simple cuz my friend died there and i thought there wont be any family bla bla, if it was like you said he can say while all the things done ' we planned it with vincitori when i joined there bla bla' so Johnny Please Talks the facts here. and sure you are curious about why your family name mention in liberta fam page its clear the first plan was hijacking you guys if cant it was liberta's turn cuz ' Fassalerrr ' account recruited by Asli into Liberta and she recruited him to vincitori so we just wanted to thank asli cuz she helped us too much.