Johnny at 13:56:44 on 19/10:

You're right. There was pussy pact and there was famous pact of Conflict and co. There were always "asslickers" and those who would jump in and we all have used it. There's no need to hide it.
When Conflict would be dominating they would have well known plan, to kill everyone but it's bloods, so you knew for sure Conflict will close game and make it end. Even if Conflict wouldn't give you chance to come back, you knew they won and that was simply it. Everyone whined cause we all felt powerless against it. But game was moving, and that's whole point.
We are in versions now where there are no more so dominating power houses such as Conflict's group back then.

But I can tell you 1 huge difference between now and then. Families back then shot, and kept shooting, pussypact or pact or even single, all of them had agenda had and clear idea what to do. No matter how dirty game was, lies, backstabs or whatever all that was happening in game was making game interesting and moving, was making those who got killed feeling screwed over. There were more than 2 groups, there were many families fighting own battles, making own enemies. And every now and then you would get big clash where a lot of families would involve. Back then families without idea what to do wouldn't last long cuz they would get shot in fight for top.

If you ask me now I would trade 10 of these clueless families for 1 Fumatore, who knows game and who has agenda.
And I'm totally wrong person to talk about Righelli, but Righelli which I saw this version is far from Righelli I know.

And maybe you're right, it's nothing new that fams follow those who scream louder, but it's completely new that families play without any ambition to do anything. And this keeps going on and on...

lunatiko at 13:46:46 on 19/10:
Actually no, noobster..we didn't have a big bloodlist! but ofc u can give me examples..and why should conflict upgrade?cause we don't like to play like puppetz and huggers?
you are a smartass, u dunno shit about conflict, and 3 persons prooved you were wrong about wars..now tell me..on what should conflict upgrade?
new tops so we can have more bloods and shoot less..that's why we always have our core group that probably is the biggest in omerta..version after version..even if we just play once a version..

Anonymous at 13:36:50 on 19/10:
Long bloodslist isnt a new style. Didnt conflict play with a big list before in the versions they won?
Wasnt vinci part of pussypact?

Both mentioned fams also had a lot of asslicker fams. If Conflict (or vinci for the matter) got shot at, fam with no official relation (not being bloods) shot for them. Although not an official blood, cuz god forbid long bloodslist.

So its not really something new, neither is it something you didnt use yourself, although not openly.

Also you said 'old' fams wouldnt play the waiting game. Explain Righelli's strategy this version then.

Its all nothing new. In the versions Conflict did well and/or won with their bloodring, none official pact, it was vinci people and nazd people complaining here complaining about their style.

When Vinci did well, Conflict (and bloods) people complained here about their style of playing

And now when non of these 'old' fams are up atm, they seem to gather here to complain about the present top fams.

I do agree with what Johnny wrote in one of his previous posts. Fams who are on top now seem to be clueless on how to organise a war, or even how to win by really lock a version.

Anonymous at 13:36:50 on 19/10:

Long bloodslist isnt a new style. Didnt conflict play with a big list before in the versions they won?
Wasnt vinci part of pussypact?

Both mentioned fams also had a lot of asslicker fams. If Conflict (or vinci for the matter) got shot at, fam with no official relation (not being bloods) shot for them. Although not an official blood, cuz god forbid long bloodslist.

So its not really something new, neither is it something you didnt use yourself, although not openly.

Also you said 'old' fams wouldnt play the waiting game. Explain Righelli's strategy this version then.

Its all nothing new. In the versions Conflict did well and/or won with their bloodring, none official pact, it was vinci people and nazd people complaining here complaining about their style.

When Vinci did well, Conflict (and bloods) people complained here about their style of playing

And now when non of these 'old' fams are up atm, they seem to gather here to complain about the present top fams.

I do agree with what Johnny wrote in one of his previous posts. Fams who are on top now seem to be clueless on how to organise a war, or even how to win by really lock a version.

Johnny at 13:10:10 on 19/10:

So basically for new style you say each "old" fam should add at least 2-3 new bloods so they can compete with others? You just said new style = pussy style. There for adapting to new style means becoming pussy, blooding and waiting. I don't think "old" families function like that. Try imaging version played like this, where Conflict, Righelli, Lucchese, Coccada, Vaffanculo, Gravano, Krays, Nazdrovia, Vincitori would all blood within each other and wait for someone to hit them so others can jump in. Pretty pathetic right?

And I didn't mean to fight off these fams when you're up, I meant returning when most of them are waiting you to pop up just so they could have someone to shoot.

Noobster at 12:38:14 on 19/10:
I agree that the tactic I mentioned is not perfect and idd, you still have to deal with bloods. However, if you have adapted you have also 10 bloods yourself, and half the bloods of the fam who you attack won't do shit anyways since they wanna keep hugging. And besides, many strong fam have enough money to buy bg's at obay. And during the night you can get your lowranked members, and won't be shot probably, put their bg's on obay for easy money...

I think conflict and righelli (just to mention 2 fams), 2 fams I respect due to their names and the old days, need some upgrades and some new members in top. In rl you need sometimes a new director/manager to gain new views and regain some enthousiasm etc....

Johnny at 12:26:24 on 19/10:

It's really not problem for me to get 20-30 old core plays online in 3 am to shoot, more of that is not even needed, but tbh when we played active offline was so much stronger than online, that it would just be damn stupid to shoot at 3-4 am. We actually used sms thing in our own advantage to bring people online to kill em.

Also I think your 10-15 shooter tactic works only on paper. 1st even if lets say your 10-15 perfect shooters do have a perfect attack, you get problem of long blooded fam lists, cause someone of 10 alive bloods of fam you just raped will shoot them down, while they're retraining bgs.

In the end new style vs old style, there's no even discussion. I don't even think new style exists, I really do think most of fams in top are completely clueless, and that they got no idea how they got there. I hope time on top at least help some of them create own identity and own style, I hope some of them show that I am damn wrong when I say they all wanna live happily ever after together, but I really doubt that will happen.

And I asked you for your family even though it was irrelevant cuz I was curious to see which fam of so cold "old ones" you believe needs style changing.

lunatiko at 12:24:03 on 19/10:
ffs..ofc top fams have better accounts..what's the doubt on that? and yes i consider most of the 10 top fams atm huggers..like it or not !
and yes i tried it from the start..almost every version..and yes i shot at almost everyhour you want..or don't you agree conflict is one of the most shooting fams in the game..
i complain about huggers..and i will always..it's a noob style and a pussy style..i guess i can dislike it right?so why can't i say it..
and for some reason, that will change with the new changes..u won't have 100+ fams with the new version that's for sure!
and again read what i wrote!! I'm not talking about 1 target..i'm talking about shooting a top 10 fam!have you ever tried it succesfull?with 15 shooters?tell me when..causa saying it it's easy..doing it..i bet you never did it.

Noobster at 12:10:19 on 19/10:
But if you could organise to get ppl online during the night in 2.7 or even before, why not anymore, while they are still your members? If they are loyal and threat them right, and not how many tops do, you will gain real loyalty and they will join. Your top is like 5-8 ppl? ;) So, then you need 5-10 more. You are from an old fam with probably players who are already in your fam from the start... Why can't you get them online? they are triggerhappy you say...

And nope, not gonna say which fam I am. Don't think it does add something to the discussion. And yes, around since 2.1 and been tops in several fams. Nope, not loyal to only 1, due to different circumstances. ;)

Noobster at 11:57:40 on 19/10:

LOL, exactly the respons I expected! How predictable! :P So you say only top 10 fams have objects and that huggers are stronger? Gaining the cash is not that hard, you know that. I think you have a huggerproblem, since you only complain about huggers, huggers and huggers... It's about 600k a target for dets, 20 targets, so like 12 million a target. If all 10 ppl search it will cost about 120 million, which is easy money for a strong fam. if you can't agree that your fam, who had roullie's in the past, didn't have 120 million, you must retire directly! :P

Not all 10 shooters have to shoot, remember? They only have to hire, so they can shoot successors! If you preshoot, then you have to shoot like 6 times in total before fam dies. if not, perhaps 10 max! :) So you say that the Don of sisfam presi was easy target? Lol, know your facts please! And secondly, destiny was easy target? Just learn some planning and keep tracing and tracking during the shooting. And if you are in a top 10 position yourself from the start, why not shooting all threats with the 5 bloods you have down as soon as they become stronger. Questions for you: Did you ever tried the above? Secondly, how many times did you shot in the morning/night?

Johnny at 11:57:32 on 19/10:

Well you got some points right, but again not completely.
It's quite easy finding 8-10 fams (in normal version) or 20-30 fams (in version like this) to shoot with you. That's not a new style or old style, outnumbering massively always did happen. Imo you could still do now 3 vs 1 if you plan it good. Problem is families with absolutely no idea what are they doing and why are they up. Those fams are the problem. Then take a look at this massive blooding which happens. When you see bloods shooting bloods it becomes clear to you those bloods are just made to try to be safe. And again bloods vs bloods is imo one of best things that could happen in this version, it shows that families still have their own agenda. Now you get bunch of fams who are scared to shoot each other cuz they don't know what will happen after. Passive families live long, families with no identity live long cuz they are easy to adapt to WHATEVER happens in game. These families got on top by pure luck (except maybe 3-4 max) by blooding and by doing almost absolutely nothing. That could be your "new style". Tbh I think it's in interest of every family in game to not adapt to it, and instead to try to make their own style. Tell me how many families saw bloods dying and did shit? That is your "new style". And that blood vs blood, so we stay out shit, that's really stupidest excuse ever.

Coming online in late night hours was something common practice for 2.3 after that version I saw it happen less and less. Last time I remember wars like that is either 2.5 or 2.7. There's nothing wrong in coming online in 2-3 am and starting war, but I think only few families can organize it today. And with all the KA changes lately, you pray your target is online, not offline. And when you outnumber your target by so much in the end you don't even care are they online or offline.

Lackey dupes I don't even count in as players, and (even though I don't know myself) I heard that bullet lackey isn't really that effective in buying bullets. So my guess is 100% lackey accounts are still joke, as spot ranked accounts were in 3.0. Problem, which many of people on irc told me, is people just don't find reason to come online anymore, cuz nothing happens, friends and people they know go away by every new day cause they're bored with what's happening.
Now this is game and players problem, not lackeys or whatever. Families and players in past would sit and wait for reset, chitchatting talking about top families. How can you even talk now about top families cause most of them didn't do absolutely anything to remember.

And I would like to ask you same thing as lunatiko did, would be lovely if you would share us your family origin with us.

Anonymous at 00:06:11 on 19/10:
okey breaking off the topic

where is arcanine ?

Anonymous at 11:47:06 on 19/10:

lol...when did you shoot last time? for higher ranked offline targets you'll need 6 shooters to preshoot, and some of them will die in BF. Every of those preshooters will have to rebuy bg's (if they survive BF). Killing high ranked gf easy? You'll have to shoot 3-4 times 60k to kill him...if he comes online, rebuy blood and bg's you'll need even more. All these shooters on GF will die in BF. With 10 shooters as you say, you can't do a shit. If you are lucky, you'll take down 2-3 top accounts and that's it. In the meantime you can expect that their bloods will hire on you and take you down without any problem.
So stop being smartass and tell ppl how to kill a family:")

lunatiko at 11:38:43 on 19/10:
ty for the lesson..but it's insane.
LOOOOOL who can agree on that?! are u nuts?
U won't get that type of money if your fam is not on top fams..huggers are! 10 trustable guys don't kill a fam..unless it's a fam like temp shot..
facts:huggers have better accounts.
huggers have money
u don't kill a hugger in one shot..so u would need at least 2 people for every target and sometimes isn't even enough..since u would be diening on f..even if u just pre shot..
and i said it already?!
your war basis is completely nonsense unless u are shooting a small fam!
keep it real.
don't dream !

Noobster at 11:12:11 on 19/10:
Thnx for your reply Johnny. I think you just mentioned yourself that the old style was to shoot with 2 or 3 fams and nowadays it's 20-30. So you can say as an old familly we stick to the old style, but that's not gonna work. So you have to form alliance of perhaps 20 famillies who shoot another alliance of 20 famillies, I don't know. Why is ervyone always shooting in the evening, about 20:00 OT? Why not during the night of early morning in the weekend. last version we saw (dunno which name exactly, but from south America) who shot at 4 o'clock and another fam shot sunday monring 8:00 o'clock and killed a bigger fam easily. And don't say it's not possible to arrange, because we both know half omerta is dupes, a quarter is students and the rest ranks also during work! :) Same for shooting offline targets, indeed it sucks that they are way too strong, but you have to deal with it so do more preshooting during the night. Not many have sms alert, and besides, half time it doesn't work. Last, but not least, you say that the number of ppl rankers is decreasing under 1k. This is partly because of lackeydupes, they are not mentioned, while most fams exist by them... But when shooting is needed, they will be online suddenly. So the statistics about online ppl are not a very good indication of ppl who can shoot or amount of actual players.

Anonymous at 11:47:06 on 19/10:

lol...when did you shoot last time? for higher ranked offline targets you'll need 6 shooters to preshoot, and some of them will die in BF. Every of those preshooters will have to rebuy bg's (if they survive BF). Killing high ranked gf easy? You'll have to shoot 3-4 times 60k to kill him...if he comes online, rebuy blood and bg's you'll need even more. All these shooters on GF will die in BF. With 10 shooters as you say, you can't do a shit. If you are lucky, you'll take down 2-3 top accounts and that's it. In the meantime you can expect that their bloods will hire on you and take you down without any problem.
So stop being smartass and tell ppl how to kill a family:")

Noobster at 11:25:37 on 19/10:

I agree that the current style is not my favourite either, but complainng about it doesn't change things! So better adapt, else I will be frustrated like you and many others. What it was, is not important anymore, just accept the world is changing. And if you don't like the new style, stop playing or act! Most tops of old fams complain indeed, since they all face the same problem. I love to see them back, since they can change the game, but as long as they don't change themselves....

About shooting a 50 brug fam, do I really need to tell you how to shoot them? Thought you were top.... Ok, simple and easy, the only thing you need is lots of cash (top fams have the objects, so the cash...) and like 10 shooters. You can look at different sites who are tops in fams (many fams change their top 3 positions quit often for boosting) and you know who are tops in big fams, even if they aren't in top 3 position. Just hire on the most logical successors and some extra, so about 20 tagets in total (you know which brugs won't be successor, due to amount of online time, position etc..). Shoot the don, shoot successor and after that, shoot the last in line.. IN 15 min you have the fam down! Then the hunting can start, since we all know that famless brugs are much eaasier to kill. Start shooting for the objects, so they loose their power. Keep track on all 50 brugs/highranks who suddenly become richer then god (they are in the testament)and shoot them, so the fam can't get up soon again. is it really that easy? YES IT IS!!

Finding 10 trustable shooters/dupes who will do this during the night/morning etc, won't be that hard if you are in one of the old/large fams. This is how temp gained their HQ....

I think you won't agree on it but that's why your fam perhaps is not on top anymore...:P